That would be like saying that you disagree that we are on planet earth. Powered with Mc240 or audio refinement SS amp. Bloody awesome info! Therefore, of course I agree. ', Sorry for that , but I cant agree . Klipsch Khorn or Altec Lansing model 19 Klipschorn AK6 Offers Improved Performance bookshelves or whatever to break up reflections. Copyright 2022 Klipsch Group, Inc. Other than bass (which the 19 likely does better than the small, ported Valencias) the Valencias leave the Cornies far behind. Which is why, I have a preference for running multiple systems at the same time, When I am running my A7's with tube amplification, I am also running two other systems with conventional designed tower speakers, powered by solid state amps. You'll have to listen for yourself and see what "does it" for you. Given that he did, I thought he might want to know that as big of hammer that the Khorn is, there are in fact, bigger hammers out there. It's as if the 511 was made for it! Your previous content has been restored. I'd planned on building a new motorboard to use with it, but was moving into a place that could not accommodate Khorns, so didn't go further with that project. It is funnyI have read this post before and I just spotted a pair of 19s in a local pawn shop todayI did not give it much though and then lau It's a home-build DIY 6SN7 driven 2A3 3.5Wpc amp: very nice 2A3 amp. If you were more specific about what Klipsches you are thinking about, you would get more informed answers. Please. Their top of the line residential unit at the time was the Laguna, with two 803B LF drivers and a 511B horn with 802D HF driver. You cannot paste images directly. No mean feat. 2.8k. ALTEC 604-HPLN (High Power Less Network) had 421 8 woofer LF + 16 HF diaphragm, so the. Spec sheets are not as helpful as they sometimes seem. No for the reason above. sounding Altec A7 Voice of the Theater VOTT speakers for PA / band use or LARGE audiophile home audio system. Klipsch was a brilliant engineer, but I think the midrange driver, K 55 V, he used in the heritage line was not of exceptionally high quality. I wish I had an option to get some new khorns. Pasted as rich text. could you say more about your experience with jubs? i have these .. i don't view them as overly bright but then You can post now and register later. You need to talk with Al Klappenberger of ALK fame, I think that he's got all of that in his Belles. would love to hear it. Upload or insert images from URL. actually better than many expensive gears I heard. Last edited: Apr 26, 2022 You won't regret it! I'm also thinking about replacing the T-35 tweeters with Beyma CP-25s. Materion Truextent makes replacement diaphragms, http://alteclansingunofficial.nlenet.net/publications/techletters/AN-11_EnclosurePlans.pdf. It may be worth noting that in their newest hi-end product, Klipsch uses direct radiator bass. My type "B" network for the Cronwall is fixed at on crossover frequency and one set of levels. They are making new ones for original Altec tools. Furthermore, most of the graphs I've seen done on Khorns don't have extended highs or the flattest frequency response. I'll upgrade it with some Amphenol RCA and WBT binding posts and Mundorf silver-gold caps. I want him to try them out. Funny that this would come back up? The thoughts of previous posts are right on. I still to date have both speakers and like them for thier strengt The La Scala has the BAD K400 squawker horn from the Klipschorn and the Cornwall has the higher Off the topic, I have just bought a pair of Gradient SW-63s, a pair of dipole subs specifically designed to accompany Quad ESL-63s. a new pair of Khorns will sound fabulous. WebVoice of the Theatre A7-500-8 For smaller theatres, or where space is at a premium for multitrack systems, the A7 is the choice. Coytee, will you EVER stop pushing Jubilees? However- Hell I'd love to have a pair of each. The box defines the woofer horn, so the only part left In listening to the A7 in one corner, and the Khorn in the other, I felt the Khorn was warmer and brassier, while the A7 was colder. Modern speakers vs Vintage speakers | What's Best Audio and Pasted as rich text. All of the different speakers & various amps have been a wonderful learning experience along the way, I was financially fortunate enough to take my hobby & Klipsch journey to Mr. Pauls final creation,. Sound 80 mix-masters could achieve 110+dB at the console. This matches the High Fidelity review of the Khorns from December 1963, which states that the Khorns bass "extended smoothly to well below 30 cycles [cycles per second being Hz in '60s talk], with doubling occuring at about 20 to 23 cycles, depending on how hard the system was driven." What crossover frequency were you planning on using? By definition, then, the one on the left is an A7 type. On the Altec Lansing forum, it may be the opposite. too different .. to compare the KH drops ton's of mid detail the 19 present's eloquently the KH produces bass performance the 19 I built him a set of MTM's and delivered them for Christmas. If the WAF is a problem, consider covering the big horn mouthes with grille cloth. Based on your location, we've changed your settings: GREAT!!! The bottom end is there but not so predominant until the power is applied and at that point things are Many Altec sheets used to say their tweeters went out to 22K Hz, but I have never seen this confirmed by other testers. Much better bass than the A7 cabinet. When you post a question like yours on the Klipsch Forum, you will find many respondents that prefer Klipsch speakers. They are small compared to an A7 or an A5 and they consequently give up LF performance as small vented boxes. Altec 604 coaxial - 2-Channel Home Audio - The Klipsch Audio It might be hard to find a pair to listen to, but search the forum to see if somebody near you has them, and will let you listen. Would the mod to your boards be tough? By two way - Jubilee. By clicking Subscribe, I agree to receive exclusive offers & promotions, news & reviews, and personalized tips for buying and selling on Reverb. Classis Altec and Klipsch share the common virtues of great clarity, hair trigger dynamics and high sensitivity. Of couse, I am wasting my breath on a Klispch forum typing thishaha. I tested them using some Altec CDs and also K-55 and Selenium D-250X. But the RFs cross at 2000hz and even higher. You can post now and register later. For two rather Waiting on Xenforo to set a date for installing the upgrades. In picking out a speaker, I would rank extended listening as much more important than spec sheets, or even independent testing. What is the amplification used for Amphion and how do they sound? Klipschorn vs Altec Model 19 vs Klipsch La Scala feet or more from any corner in which there are Khorns. Altec specs are also not necessarily useful. It is not the only hammer in the toolbox. Even our host has spoken at length about horn shout on this very forum. The JBL driver has a continuous roll off. Hey, I don't mind Coytee mentioning Jubs, but I spoke with a Klipsch technician and he said for my sized room 12' x 15' and 10' high (with the Khorns on the 15' wall) the Khorns would be the better fit sonic wise over the Jubilees. Your previous content has been restored. Oops, looks like you forgot something. Ok, so how different would the K-401 compare to the Tactrix? It weighs about 220 lb. bluesboy While the K77 does not extend as far as the aforementioned tweeters, it is a little more toned down/mellower by comparison? These were Klipschorns, Jubilees and LaScalas. Coytee, will you EVER stop pushing Jubilees? Been using 511b/902-16a on top of 75' Cornwall bins. Just sent an email to my friend. Paste as plain text instead, Clear editor. It's reality. klipsch Versus Altec Lansing - The Klipsch Audio dkalsi Dr Morbius a new pair of Khorns will sound fabulous. But saying that you disagree with my statement makes no sense. Klipsch makes an awful lot of speakers. "Are the Vintage altecs as desirable as the klipsch seems to be?". Some of you talk about the 19s as tho they were the A7 voice of the theaters. Copyright 2022 Klipsch Group, Inc. This item is sold As-Described and cannot be returned unless it arrives in a condition different from how it was described or photographed. Klipsch Klipschorn AK6 loudspeaker Page The Jubs are Fabulous & perform as most other owners have described far more eloquent then I can. Altec horns most certainly shout, just like any other, perhaps even more so. Pasted as rich text. Yes, the A7s didn't have a great low frequency response, and their high end response was only as good as the khorns. I agree that the Khorns are good speakers, but I wonder if some of you are hearing the same 19s that I am hearings. UPDATE: The forums, gallery and advanced search upgrades have been purchased. It has much more bass than the Heresy, is more The driver on my 511B horn is the Altec 808-8a CD. In a graph some of us have seen, they appear to be down 5dB at about 34 Hz, with a narrow, anomalous little dip at 60 Hz in the Klipsch anechoic chamber, but the chamber only has sidewall support out to about 4 feet. The A7's are really nice from the upper bass to the top end. Not in my house)was directed at Arash, whom I was concerned had mistaken my words for arrogance & gloating over the expensive Jubs as being the one & only, "best of the best" . [:-*] It is not the only hammer in the toolbox. I would like to try a K-55/511b combo running them down to 400 Hz. I know of several people who have made than change. Your link has been automatically embedded. $1700 Firm takes all. When you click on links to various merchants on this site and make a purchase, I miss them sometimes, but the La Scalas, while not excavating the depths of low end response, still do a very satisfactory job. Yes, the A7s didn't have a great low frequency response, and their high end response yes It was built here. 19 thread, []. WebPassive crossovers built into the horn boxes, not sure if these are Altec. It's futile. $12,000), the finish DOES matter to a significant degree. You cannot paste images directly. I could see the term being used to loosely describe a horns sound signature, in the same manner as I ascribe to "forward" as also describing an efficient, horn loaded system. I would like to get pair of commercial K-horns. Thank you, man! I think you both will like them very much, both for their aesthetic qualities and their incredible sound. Altec heard them, though. They just disappear into the corners! ). Absolutely not.what a silly question.[] The entire series was gradually expanded for use in general sound reinforcement and later converted in extreme high-end audio segments for hi-fi home use. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. []. The bass is routed out of the front, up and down each side and not the back. Sounds like you have found them underwhelming. Altec Horn System Transform your Klipschorns Complete Midrange Swap for Klipschorn. I say LaScala, or Klipschorn because you say 400 horn. If your ears aren't tuned to it, that's one thing, but this isn't some mystical idea that I'm suggesting. Sectoral horns only available for the A7's. All except for the part about dealing with the shortcomings of horn shout, which is a problem that cannot be solved. Set of 2 Two Vintage Altec Lansing A7 Speakers Wood Cabinets . My concern is the motorboad for my La Sclala's, I think I will need a new mount for my K77 outside the HF section. http://forums.klipsch.com/idealbb/view.asp?topicID=53469, you will love the 511/ 902 driver combo, with maybe an ev 350, or beyma tweeter. We will let you know in advance of AK going offline during the upgrade install. They have the most advanced crossovers which are really fine tuned for the drivers. Altec Voice of the Theatre on thevintageknob.org for using as a mid-range horn 511 is better but in a two-way like M19 811 sounds better because the smaller horn pronounces higher frequency better than 511, use some bitumen as dampening material outside of 511 and it'll sound more open with no honkiness and ringing. Regulars. The K-horns play so deep, down to 20 cycles, that you don't need a sub. Interesting. Posted January 20, 2005. A design by John Hilliard, Altec Lansing Voice of the Theatre systems originally targeted movie theaters. Clear editor. Waiting on Xenforo to set a date for installing the upgrades. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Comparing Altecs to You can use them anywhere, as they are no longer corner horns. The Klipschorn Ak6 is a three-way, fully-loaded speaker with a greater than average sensitivity and size. Good condition items function properly but may exhibit some wear and tear. Altec 19s win for me. I have owned both and I felt the 19's had a flatter response with a more realistic sound. Very much a turnkey speaker system. The power supply for the Gradient active crossover was not included, so I am awaiting a new one that should arrive next week. Forum Policies, Rules, and Terms of Service. They're also smaller (at least, not as tall as) the Thank you for your input, Daddy Dee, I'll go with the new Khorns. The classic Altec and JBL 2-way horn systems also crossed-over low, generally at either 500 or 800hz. (e.g., check the vertical polar pattern on the Iwata profile horn that you propose, not just the horizontal pattern), and wouldn't suggest that any BRAND of speaker is necessarily better, but would say that the speakers all are different. The Altecs haved dynamics coupled with an effortlessness that's essentially unmatched by anything else even close to reasonably sized or priced. Altec Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Altec A7 Voice of the Theater VOTT Speakers - Altec horns Altec I'm thinking of building a set of two way CW-like speaker using 811-b horn and 816-8 altec woofer (we can call it 811-Cornscala). Fast transients, no power compression, amazing detail and dynamics, vs. mush for reflex..yuck. Dorsey knows cinema sound inside and out, and in this article he shares his personal thoughts about these highly valued horn designs, and provides valuable tips on how to restore them. how hard is it to fix or replace the horn on a 19? Full fledged folded horns of Klipsch don't have the step down in the curve as the Altecs do inw their straight axis short horn/bass reflex combo, where the rear radiation of the cone attempts to put out as much sound as the front horn, which, of course, it can't. I have owned all the Heritage series except the Bella's & the Chorus, In my listening room (without good corners & several other undesirable architectural traits, the Jubs have given me the best performance. 811 horns have a low frequency cut-off of 800Hz and won't go much below that. trouble is , they were both working, and then at a later time the horn was not working on one of them. 1 watched in the last 24 hours. The 19s go beyond 20k with the original diapgragms in them. Naturally, keep all I have consistently found that I 'like" whatever is new in my listening room. I really don't think its as cut and dry as some of you guys say and out of the two systems, if anyone is a limitied compromise, I really feel its the Khorn. The difference between A5 and A7 is the HF horn: the former uses one of the multi cells, the latter the sectoral type horn. I like hustling up nice horns at a good price and I'm really less concerned about the specific brand. The crossovers are ALK designed.The speakers are currently equipped with K-401 horns and K-55 drivers.I am thinking about switching to Altec 811B horns and 808 8A drivers.Can I do this without modifing the crossovers? You're in denial. I hope you are aware the A7 is an industrial looking box intended to be custom finished for residential use. Alas, those of us saddled by SWMBO and WAF to the K-400 must still seek nervana! The classic look of this iconic loudspeaker is completed through the use of retro software luster grill cloth that includes a cast zinc Klipschorn logo. Watch this gear and we'll notify you if it becomes available again. Changing either one is vertually impossible without a total redesign! Display as a link instead, A design by John Hilliard, Altec Lansing Voice of the Theatre systems originally targeted movie theaters. Biggest Improvement I made in Audio in over 30 years when I Installed these. The A7 (pictured here) is Paste as plain text instead, Affiliate programs and Altec Model 19 vs Klipsch La Scala - Vinnie - High Efficiency Speaker Asylum Altec Model 19 vs Klipsch La Scala Posted by Vinnie (A) on November 12, 2009 at 17:50:19 Wondering if anyone has ever had the oppurtunity to hear these two classic speakers side by side? Notice how you can't name a single one that doesn't? Yes, the A7s didn't have a great low frequency response, and their high end response was only as good as the khorns. I have both 811 and 511 horns and also K-400. What they share is their horn design and their efficiency. Best Offer: Yeh. Upload or insert images from URL. Now whether that is something I have accepted and learned to live with over time or just naturally prefer I cant say, but I am fond of it. We will let you know in advance of AK going offline during the upgrade install. They claim 800hz crossover and are fully functional with attenuation knobs on them. Happy to say more about the Jubs guys. Your purchases help youth music programs get the gear they need to make music. i guess i need to take them out , since they are so well thought of. i'm currently using the one built as a drop in replacement for LaScala. I am reluctant to make a change I cannot undue other than refinishing my La Scala cabinets in new veneer.